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We thought we were interesting and the ideas were interesting and that our music was interesting. But you know, it did stay pretty obscure for quite a while. If you look at the other heavily influential music tidbits in rock and roll, say, Elvis and then the Beatles or the British Invasion, they were both crazy mania and world media-dominating phenomena when they appeared. It took punk 20 years to really begin to have the spread of influence and impact on culture that it eventually came to have. ESQ: You had been a runaway from an early age, but you were running for the sake of running, not because you were leaving horrible conditions. And then you write in the book about the internal departure that occurs when the drugs kick in. Have you finally stopped running? RH: Well, there's a lot of ways to leave yourself behind, you know. It doesn't mean that you have to move. Leaving rock and roll was a huge departure. Stopping doing drugs was a huge departure. Just switching from being a musician to being a writer was a huge departure.